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Redline Series => Redline Monitor => Topic started by: Hellwilliam on February 15, 2009, 12:27:32 AM

Title: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 15, 2009, 12:27:32 AM
I am using Windows Vista and FL 8.  Most of the time when loading Redline Monitor or when pulling up a file that contains and instance of Redline Monitor, I get a message as follows "There was a fatal error loading the plugin's editor" and Redline does not fully load.  Sometimes it loads and works fine, but most of the time, it does not.
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on February 16, 2009, 12:58:31 PM
Hmmm... things that sometimes work and sometimes don't are always interesting.  I'll check if I can reproduce this, Redline Monitor runs OK in both FL8 and Vista here--at least separately :), I can't say for certain that I checked that combination.  Will report back here.

Thanks,

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 17, 2009, 10:07:49 PM
I await your wisdom. 
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on February 19, 2009, 03:20:34 PM
Sorry for the delay, I was able to reproduce a similar problem with FL8 on Vista x64 here.  I don't get an error message but sometimes the Redline Monitor GUI comes up blank (black).  Thanks for reporting, I'll check into this.  Stay tuned!

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 20, 2009, 04:11:14 AM
I have the Home Deluxe Version and I think it is 32 bit.  It doesn't come up blank for me, after the notification, the top line of the wrapper shows up with the plug in name, but the plug in isnt there and does not work.  This picture is from immediately after opening the FL file.
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on February 20, 2009, 08:55:24 AM
Whoa, that is pretty weird really.  If you would:


that might give me a clue as to what's happening (or more to the point, not happening).

Thanks,

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 20, 2009, 03:52:43 PM
Here you go.  The last couple of times the files loaded, the Redline Monitor did not.
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 20, 2009, 08:54:20 PM
I probably should post this, too, when it loads and works correctly, it looks like this:
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 23, 2009, 01:37:53 PM
that might give me a clue as to what's happening (or more to the point, not happening). Thanks,  dj!

Anything, yet?
Thanks, HW
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on February 23, 2009, 01:40:33 PM
Unfortunately: no.  No matter what I try I can't reproduce this on any of my own systems--not even with the same OS and VST host--and no log shows anything out of the ordinary.  But rest assured I'm still on it!

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 23, 2009, 06:23:25 PM
Unfortunately: no.  No matter what I try I can't reproduce this on any of my own systems--not even with the same OS and VST host--and no log shows anything out of the ordinary.  But rest assured I'm still on it!  -- dj!

I read the other thread where the poster is having a similar problem and went back into FL Studio to check it out.  Exactly the same thing is happening.  I have it loaded to my starting template and it loads and works fine as long as you have that first instance of Redline open.  No other instance will load, after that first time, even if you close that first file.  In fact, if you bring the starting template up and then just reload Redline Monitor, it will not open, the error message and the first picture I posted is the result.  As long as you get all the mixing done the first time around, you are gold, once you rename the file and try to either open that file or a different file, Redline Monitor will not load.
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on February 23, 2009, 06:58:53 PM
That's interesting info because it suggests that the problem is system rather than host specific.  Which also would explain why it won't happen here, but unfortunately doesn't bring me any closer to a solution--the hardest bugs to solve are those that won't reproduce on a development machine.  I will prepare a beta build with logging all over the place for you to run, hopefully I'll be able to infer something from that.

Peace,

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 23, 2009, 07:09:06 PM
I took it off my template and deleted it from all my works in progress.  Now I uninstalled the program.  I am going to reload and leave it off the template and see what happens.
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 23, 2009, 09:04:04 PM
That's interesting info because it suggests that the problem is system rather than host specific.  Peace,  dj! 

That seems to have solved the problem, at least temporarily.  I took it out of my templates and only use it to mix, then delete the instance before I save the file.  The next time I load it, it loads fine, so it seems that for some reason, saving it with the original file causes it to load incorrectly the next time. 
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on February 24, 2009, 10:36:35 AM
Thanks for trying that, I only tried inserting and deinserting and not from a template.  (Okay, to be entirely frank I don't know FL well enough to even know about the existence of templates. :))  I'll investigate what's going on there--this is in FL8, right?

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 24, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
Yes, FL Studio 8 Producer Edition.  Once you get the templates set up and use them several times, the program automatically brings up your most used template when the program opens.  (There are several generic templates, but you can develop and save your own, that is what RM was in, a personally developed template.)  This is the initial use of Redline Monitor that would open.  After that, even if you delete the first instance of the program and open another file that has RM in it, it will not open.  As I said before, even if I closed RM in that first template and tried to reopen it, it would not open.  This sounds very similar to the other poster, he has it inserted in his templates in that program, too, if I read it correctly.
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on February 25, 2009, 04:24:57 PM
The file you sent seems to have solved the problem, so far, anyway.  I will post again in a couple of days.
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on February 25, 2009, 04:27:08 PM
Cool, good to hear that!  Thanks for reporting & keep me informed of any trouble.

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on March 01, 2009, 06:16:54 PM
Still working fine.  What did you do, anyway?
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on March 01, 2009, 06:41:29 PM
Believe it or not, but I was using a wrong call to dispose of some temporary constructs when drawing text in the GUI window.  Why exactly that would cause the behavior you experienced is beyond me, but I gues sometimes it's OK to just be content smt works without having to understand why. :)

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on March 01, 2009, 07:17:13 PM
This is not really a problem, just a general question:  What would be the reason that phasing sounds more effective in the "headphone only" setting rather than the "headphone with Redline Monitor" setting?
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on March 01, 2009, 08:13:33 PM
Errr... could you rephrase that?  I'm not sure I get what you're getting at.

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on March 01, 2009, 10:07:26 PM
If you use a phaser plug-in, it sounds less extreme if you listen to it with Redline Monitor rather than with headphones alone.
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on March 03, 2009, 08:59:48 AM
I suspect that the phaser you're using is stereo, and anything stereo sounds much exaggerated on headphones--the very reason why Redline Monitor exists!  The best yardstick would be to compare the phaser effect on your headphones+RM to what is does on your speakers, and those two shd be pretty similar.

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on March 20, 2009, 06:10:46 PM
Now I have four days left on my demo, I bought a license, but the plug-in seems satisfied with telling me that I have four days left on the demo.  It isn't asking me for the license.
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on March 23, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
Well, one day, now.
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: dj! on March 28, 2009, 01:34:26 PM
Sorry for the lack of replies, I'm currently on holiday.  Anyway by the time it times out it shd definitely ask for a new license, or you may simply drag & drop a permanent license onto the Redline Monitor GUI editor window to activate it.

Take care,

-- dj!
Title: Re: Redline Monitor Problem
Post by: Hellwilliam on March 29, 2009, 09:33:14 PM
By the time it times out it shd definitely ask for a new license.  Take care, dj!
Yes, it asked for one after the trial period ran out.