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Redline Series => Redline Equalizer => Topic started by: rhendry on August 11, 2009, 10:56:48 PM
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Hey 112db
The EQ is causing delay which is not being compensated for. I am passing a simple bass line through it and whilst its subtle there is a noticeable late shift in the groove. It became obvious when I played notes manually from the keyboard.
Nothing else running except for a kik drum from the Drumazon plugin, Cubase's Monolouge VSTI and the Redline EQ. If I bypass the plugin completely the delay is gone. Im aware this could be a Cubase issue but throught I should let you know any way. It doesn't happen with the Reverb
OSX 10.5.7
Cubase 5 (latest update)
Apogee Duet
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Incidentally, I really like the auto volume compensation. Makes me much less wary of pushing the envelope with this EQ. Something I used to do a lot more of when I used analog consoles. Great!
Although I have only had a matter of a couple of hours with the EQ, it already sounds highly useable. I like the interface very much.
Off Topic
The 'Whispering Gallery' preset on the reverb is an excellent large reverb. Really shows off the plugs abilities.
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I'm having the same problem I ran it thru a kick drum and there is definitly a latency problem.
Other than that I really like this eq hope you guys can fix this latency issue
system specs win xp,cubase 5(latest version) NI audio kontrol(latest drivers)
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Strange... what does Cubase report for the plugin latency? (Devices > Plugin Information)
I just checked to make 100% sure (though admittedly with Cubase 4) but the latency is properly compensated for here, so either it's something specific to Cubase 5 or there's just something fishy going on. Any other users with Cubase 4 or 5 care to chime in?
Thanks,
-- dj!
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DJ,
Latency in Cubase 5 = 3072.
Thats pretty high which Im sure you will address.
I have a question though: Even though thats high shouldnt the DAW auto compensate for it.?
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That is strange because yes, 3072 is the correct latency--unfortunately there is no way around that because any Linear Phase EQ requires that kind of latency. I have no idea why Cubase 5 doesn't compensate, it shd be perfectly able to (and Cubase 4 does like a charm).
I'll try to somehow look into this... is there any chance this is in fact a bug in Cubase? Do you have any other plugins with high latency that you could try?
Thanks,
-- dj!
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Not sure if this is the cause but it never hurts to try... from what I understand the PDC (Plugin Delay Compensation) in Cubase 5 can be turned on and off with a button top left of the arrange window. Could that be it?
-- dj!
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Hi DJ,
restraining delay compensation bypasses the plugin (it actually switches it off) and then the delay is gone. I cant recall seeing this behaviour before then again in all my use of Cubase I have only ever turned off the delay compensation just to see what would happen. In logic the low latency mode will turn off high latency plugins.
It could very well be an issue with Cubase 5 but then again I cant recall this with other plugins I have.
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finally got to try it again and the same thing happened to me with the compensation on or off and i also tried it in Cubase4 and there is latency there also but when i turn on the compensation the eq will not turn off like it does on cubase5
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I think I'm onto something wrt to the latency sometimes not being compensated in Cubase 4/5... I'll try to upload a beta build tomorrow.
Take care,
-- dj!
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Hi DJ,
Dont put your self out or anything on my account. To be honest I do like teh EQ, but because of the high latency it wouldnt be much use to me as I write songs and mix as I go along and I tend to avoid plugins that have high latency except when at the very final mastering stage. But I guess it is something you would probably need to have a lokk at for other users of Cubase 5
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Don't worry, this is something that needs to be fixed no matter what. But thanks all the same! :)
-- dj!
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its working great now!!!! with the update thanks
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Cool, good to hear that & thanks for letting me know!
-- dj!
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hi there i have the demo of 1.02, its fantastic and i would really like to buy it and make it my go-to EQ !
but im having problems with latency in cubase 5.0.1, osx 10.5.8, on a mac pro
im wondering if the full version rather than the demo would get rid of my latency issues ??
if i can get around this latency problem ill be buying straight away !!
any help would be appreciated :)
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ok so now i bought it to see if that would make a difference (foolish i know) and still no joy
any ideas ??
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also my latency seems to be 3840, more than other peoples, if anyone is reading this :P
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Apologies for the late reply--I was in hospital last week.
The first thing to check would be how much latency Cubase thinks that Redline EQ introduces--you can get this information from Devices > Plug-in Information and then check the value of the "Latency" column. This shd read 3840--if it doesn't try hitting the Update button and/or uncheck and re-check the checkmark in front of the Redline EQ row.
And report back here if it doesn't solve it!
-- dj!
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No problem, hope everything was ok ! :)
Cubase indeed has 3840 latency, what should i do next ?
it seems slighty better but i still notice if i for example duplicate an 8th note hihat and put the plugin on one and not on the other, there is a slight phasing effect
from playing around with the track offset in cubase 5 it seems to be around +8 out
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That is pretty strange... just a silly hunch but could you verify that the Constrain Delay Compensation button (the 2nd at the top of the Cubase project window) is not lit?
If that's not it either, any chance you could render a short song segment with the duplicate tracks, one track w/o Redline and panned hard left, the other w/ Redline and panned hard right? Oh, and send that to me of course. :)
Thanks,
-- dj!
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sent it to support@[lotsofdB].com :)
Edit by dj!: just hiding our support email address to prevent spam
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Thanks for that! Am I correct in my assumption that the R channel is the one with Redline EQ on it?
-- dj!
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yep
sorry about posting the email addy btw :P
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No problem! Just one qn for now: what host buffersize are you running at?
-- dj!
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today was just running a session at 2048 bufersize, same problems
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Just for diagnostic purposes, could you try a session at 256 and see what happens? FYI I can reproduce something similar here so there is definitely a problem with the EQ and not your setup.
Thanks,
-- dj!
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at 256 its fine here
i usually need my latency up higher by the time it comes to mixdown though
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Great, thanks for trying that--a fix is in the make!
Take care,
-- dj!
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fantastic
more developers shold be like you mate !!
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Hello. I'm having the same latency problem with Logic 8.0.2 and Redline EQ 1.0.2. Could you please look into this?
Thanks!
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same problem here with mac osx 10.5.8 running cubase 5.....
love the reverb and want to buy the EQ... so would love it sorted ... :P
mark.
http://www.markbreeze.co.uk
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A beta build that shd solve the latency problem once and for all is available here:
- Windows (http://112dB.com/download/software/redline/equalizer/beta/Redline-Equalizer-1.0.3.exe)
- Mac OS X (http://112dB.com/download/software/redline/equalizer/beta/Redline-Equalizer-1.0.3.dmg)
Let me know whether it works!
Take care,
-- dj!
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at 512 samples buffer and above it is still introducing latency here
cubase 5.01, mac os 10.5.8
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just installed 1.0.3 beta and it nulls out on a copied, phase-inverted track!
(pc, xp, C5.01, ssl madixtreme at 1024 buffer)
(it still has the weird dual screen thing going on - http://112db.com/forum/index.php?topic=517.msg2849#msg2849)
Herwig
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+1 Sounds great, easy to use, great results but terrible latency and redline reverb is still crashing Cubase...
Running REQ version 1.0.2.0
getting latency reading of 3840 (!!!)
Host:
Cubase 5.1.0 Build 105
Mac Pro Dual Quad OSX 10.5.8
Just downloaded today.
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The latency is (unfortunately) both normal and unavoidable in a linear-phase EQ. We will probably add a means of getting near-zero latency at the expense of some features (such as the variable phase) in v2, but for now you'll have to rely on latency compensation.
As for the crashes, I received your crash reports--thanks for which--so I'll check into what's happening on your system. Stay tuned!
-- dj!
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Hi DJ,
thanks for your reply. Appreciate you have a lot to address right now.
Just FYI:
On my system - Plug in information:
TRacks3 Linear Phase EQ - 4 samples latency
TRacks3 Classic EQ - 68 samples latency
Redline EQ - 3840 samples latency
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DJ,
forgot to mention, enabling the constrain delay compensation button does remove the latency, but of course now locks those plugins that are being constrained. the button must be toggled to release the plugins in order to make changes.
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The latency is (unfortunately) both normal and unavoidable in a linear-phase EQ. We will probably add a means of getting near-zero latency at the expense of some features (such as the variable phase) in v2, but for now you'll have to rely on latency compensation.
As for the crashes, I received your crash reports--thanks for which--so I'll check into what's happening on your system. Stay tuned!
-- dj!
let us know when its fixed then or when v2 is out, as otherwise this plugin is basically useless to me !!! would prefer a working version to a refund tbh
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the beta 1.0.3 has fixed the latency problem for me on Reaper
I have a clicks and pops problem with redline EQ when the session is at 88k tho...
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The clicks turned out to be related to an unstable mic preamp DC signal--go figure--and will be fixed in the next maintenance release. Thanks for the help Tom!
-- dj!